The Eustace Diamonds by Anthony Trollope
published as a serial 1871-72
"...and enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that she's about the handsomest girl out. As for me, I'd sooner have the widow. I beg your pardon, Mr. Greystock." Frank merely bowed. "Simply, I mean, because she rides about two stone lighter. It'll cost you something to mount Lady Tewett."
There are two direct reasons for looking at this aspect of
The Eustace Diamonds (first post on the book a few days ago ).
The first is that in a recent post on a Ross
Macdonald book, The Underground Man
--and I do hope you are agog to
know what connects Macdonald and Trollope –
I commented on the fact that in American books, someone
describing someone else will estimate their weight, but this never happens in
British books. Well, here we have the rare exception to this theory. Not an
actual weight, but I did think it was a hilarious line. There is no element of
judgement here, simple observation of fact: one of the women concerned is
beautiful and of Amazonian build, the other is small and bird-like. But both well
able to snap up a husband – even when the question of how much the horses cost
is taken into consideration.
The second reason is a memory of last year’s extra post
on The Small House at Allington, and the discussion in the
comments - at great length, and with erudition from readers - the prospects for
women, the appalling economic situation that even the most privileged were
often in, their lack of agency and control, the fact that they were entirely
subject to their husband’s wishes and whims.
In the circumstances, we were on the whole unable to blame
women for doing whatever they could to achieve financial stability, which
nearly always meant marriage. Even characters who were much-blamed by their
creators may get a pass from modern women.
As I have said before, Trollope did see this more than many
of his contemporaries. This is his cool view of Lizzie & marriage:
[She] was a witch whistling
for a wind, and ready to take the first blast that would carry her and her
broomstick somewhere into the sky.
Lizzie behaves unconsciably, but SOME of what she does is
forgiveable – she is alone in the world and has to fight for herself. She is
comparatively well-off, but life is expensive and her looks won’t last forever.
Young women often had only their charms to achieve security: men are sneer-y about and shocked by this, but it is they, the men, who have created this world. Mrs
Bennet was right, while Mr Bennet did nothing for his daughters.
There is another, lighter, economic theme in the book:
some great reform about to be introduced in monetary matters. Mr. Palliser, who was now Chancellor of the Exchequer, was intending to alter the value of the penny…the future penny was to be made to contain five farthings, and the shilling ten pennies. It was thought that if this could be accomplished, the arithmetic of the whole world would be so simplified that henceforward the name of Palliser would be blessed by all.
The problem with this is:
…those two extra farthings
that could not be made to go into the shilling…
In those days there were 4 farthings to a penny, 12 pennies
to a shilling, and 20 shillings to the pound. You can work out the problem for
yourself.
[There is an old nursery song, Oranges and Lemons, where
the bells peal:
You owe me five farthings say the bells of St Martin’s
-so that was ahead of its time.]
This brilliant idea winds its way through the rest of the
book, popping up now and again – and with the clear contrast that no-one except
Planty
Pall is at all interested in the coinage, while all are completely
fascinated by the scandal of the Eustace Diamonds.
A connection for me: In the early days of the blog, I did
several posts on Arnold Bennett’s The Old Wives’ Tale – a great
favourite of mine. (No-one was reading the blog in those days, so I have no
hesitation in recommending
the posts now.)
Bennett wanted to show how young women become old wives,
but he also said he was fascinated to have overheard a comment from a woman who
had lived through a busy time of history, including the Paris Commune and
siege, apparently without noticing much. He put it straight into the book:
Sophia…noticed how much easier it was for
attired women to sit in a carriage now that crinolines had gone. That was the
sole impression made upon her by this glimpse of the last fete of the
Napoleonic Empire.
A great Clothes in Books moment. The Eustace Diamonds was being written at the time of the Commune, and fair enough that it doesn’t feature, but Bennett and Trollope both had that trait I very much enjoy: understanding how people really operate in their less-admirable moments, without judging them.
Colour picture is actually riding in the Bois de Boulogne, NYPL, not hunting, but had such an air of Trollope that I couldn’t resist it.
Picture of woman on horseback from NYPL
Decimalisation of the currency was a Victorian fad/obsession. The florin was introduced as a first (and - it turned out - last) step in 1849. I don't know if the idea was to have twenty five pence to a florin.
ReplyDeleteWe who spent most of our childhood's learning £.s.d. and how many rods, poles or perches made a hundredweight and then were told to forget all about it can only regret it wasn't introduced then.
I had no idea that it was a popular idea then. Yes, they should have got on with it. Equal parts of a pound, we had to learn: a third of a pound is 6/8. What a waste of time that all turned out to be.
DeleteYes, that is one of the things I love about Trollope. He is both clear-eyed about what women were sometimes driven to in their quest for security, but understood how little choice they had. Do read The American Senator sometime - would love to have your take on that. Chrissie
ReplyDeleteYes I will - I have got it on my list! I just want to do the other Pallisers. I keep accidentally catching sight of phrases that spoiler the future: it's impossible to read anything about the books to date without the reviewer going into the future...
DeleteSo I need to get it done!
Trollope really was aware of, and honest about, the choices that were(n't) available for women, Moira, and I'm glad you mention that here. It reminds me of a quote from Agatha Christie's A Holiday For Murder. At one point, one of the characters is explaining some of what she does: “The world is very cruel to women. They must do what they can for themselves - while they are young. When they are old and ugly no one will help them.”
ReplyDeleteI think that's Hercule Poirot's Christmas in the UK? Yes indeed, and (as always) Agatha knew what she was talking about. It comes up in They Do it with Mirrors too - another young woman says "As soon as [women] lose their looks, the men they love don’t love them any more…. It’s a cruel world! Sooner or later it will be cruel to me! But now I’m young and I’m nice-looking and people find me attractive. Yes, I enjoy it…”
DeleteMr Bennett's "apres moi le deluge" attitude to the future of his wife and daughters is pretty unforgiveable - not that other fathers in Austen seem to do much better by theirs.
ReplyDeleteRe: Birgitta's ingenious method (set out in the comments to the Small House at Allington post) of getting her students to think about women's options by making them choose to marry either Mr Collins or Mr Wickham, I've been wondering how the response would vary depending on when one asked the question: whether at the end of eg chapter 24, at which point Mr Collins is an annoying, sanctionious, self-important toady and bore whilst Wickham is a poor but handsome and charming young officer, victimised by a rich arrogant man whom everyone dislikes; or at the end of the book when Mr Collins is still an annoying, sanctimonious &c &c but Wickham is a heartless, deceitful, mercenary seducer of 15-year-old girls.
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SANCTIMONIOUS! not sure how auto-correct came up with sanctionious ...
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I think we should invent a meaning for sanctionious, it's an excellent word.
DeleteYes indeed, I often think of Birgitta's comments, and still wishing she was my English teacher.
I am SO flattered to be mentioned in this way! I cannot quite remember at which stage I used to ask my students to make the fatal choice between Collins and Wickham, but I do remember the girl who said she would marry Mr Collins but have an affair with Wickham. She said she was sure she could do it without Mr Collins ever suspecting anything. Definitely the Becky Sharp of the class, I thought.
DeleteThat made me laugh, and yes very much a Becky Sharp response. In Mansfield Park, Mary C suggests that Maria should have stayed married and had her fling - and Edmund and Fanny are horrified beyond measure: showing Mary's true colours. But, as someone or other pointed out, that is exactly the kind of thing JA would have said in her letters about a real life couple.
Delete"The Eustace Diamonds" is my favourite Trollope though I haven't re-read it recently - must do so.
ReplyDeleteQuestions of weight used to crop up in the pony books of my youth - mainly in terms of which family member gets to ride which pony in which gymkhana event - but the only non-horse-related occurrence I can think of is in Florence Barclay's "The Rosary", where I'm sure the author gives the heroine's weight in a passage describing how she is NOT conventionally attractive. Book has moved on and I can't now remember how much she weighed but do recall thinking she wasn't THAT huge ...
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She is 5 ft 11 ins tall and weighs 12 stone!
DeleteSee blogpost here https://cgctltsj.top/2020/01/the-tosh-report-rosary-by-florence-l.html - one I very much enjoyed writing.
I was intrigued by Jane's decision that she wasn't beautiful enough to marry an artistic man, even though he was keen. Self-esteem, we'd say today.
‘A wonderful joy our eyes to bless,
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Is an English girl of eleven stone two,
And five foot ten in her dancing shoe!’ W S Gilbert Utopia Ltd
Oh thank you, marvellous quotation!
DeletePosts and comments about women’s options always seem to lead back to Jane Austen, so can I put a word in for Charlotte Lucas? She’s not good looking, she’s knocking on a bit (positively middle aged by the standards of the day), and has no money, even though her father is a Sir. She is intelligent, shrewd, practical, resourceful - and wants a husband and establishment of her own. So when Lizzy rejects Mr Collins she’s quick to seize the opportunity which will also provide better prospects for her younger brothers and sisters. And she does so whilst remaining nice. You couldn’t possibly describe her as a Bad Girl, but she knew the importance of a good marriage, and must have feared the future as a spinster.
ReplyDeleteYes you may put a word in for her! You'll find a lot of support for her round here: she was sensible and made the best of her situation. And we can mock Mr Collins all we want, but there are a lot worse husbands around - at least, for example, he would surely not be unfaithful, or indigent....
DeleteSix shillings and eightpence is useful if you are a medieval historian, as it is half a mark, and lots of things come out in marks so it is handy to have the divisions in your head!
ReplyDeleteOne of my ancestors was all for decimalisation, but I have no idea what he planned to do about farthings. When I was little lots of sweets were four to a penny, but as there were no farthings, we always had to buy at least two (foam shrimps and things like that!).
Good to know that about the mark!
DeleteYes I was too late for farthings but as you say, they lived on - blackjacks and fruit salads were the four-a-penny sweets where I was.
I was only saying in relation to Ballet Shoes recently https://cgctltsj.top/2024/12/ballet-shoes-and-carol-singers.html that Nana talks about a fabric she can buy for 'one and six three' a yard. So historians of the 1930s need to know about currency too...
Trollope may not talk about weight, but he does mention women's TEETH a lot! (Which always brings horses to mind for me.) But despite their apparent importance, the teeth must not be allowed to show too often! No grinning allowed, I guess.
ReplyDeleteNever noticed that, and you've given me something else to look out for in my Trollope reading.
DeleteSor Juana Ines de la Cruz wrote a poem beginning "You foolish men who lay the guilt on women, not seeing you're the cause of the very thing you blame" (translation), which goes on to remark about the oddness of anyone who would fog up a mirror and then complain that the mirror isn't clear. She wasn't specifically referring to the "marriage mart" but the sentiment surely applies. (And in the 17th century no less.)
ReplyDeleteI didn't know of this writer at all, and have very much enjoyed finding out about her and her extraordinary life - in a place and time that I knew little about. What a woman.
DeleteShe's another one who knew what she was talking about!
"Mrs Bennet was right, while Mr Bennet did nothing for his daughters."
ReplyDeleteOh absolutely she was right. The woman has been vilified for 2 centuries for doing all she could to provide futures for her daughters in the face of the invasive and invidious laws that determined inheritance and estate succession.
But can we really accuse Mr. Bennet of doing nothing for his daughters? Didn't he actually take himself out of his study and go call on the new tenant at Netherfield?
How true! and he was willing to organize a shoot when the marriages were sealed, is that right?
Deleteand Mrs B was both - rather silly, but with a very great understanding of the world, and an ability to look at the future.
Mrs B had the right idea. Unfortunately she was also silly and shallow and didn't always have a girl's best interests at heart. What truly caring mother would have wanted Elizabeth to marry Mr Collins? And although her bright idea of sending Jane to Netherfield may have have started something, she didn't seem to care much about Jane's health. The fact that she preferred the silly daughters to the two eldest ones says a lot about her judgement!
ReplyDeleteSee other comments! Of course she could hope that Lizzy would do better, but really, one of them should have married Mr Collins.
DeleteBut I do agree - sending Jane off in bad weather in the hope she would have to stay over is awful behaviour.
I wonder which one of the Bennet girls should have been sacrificed to Mr Collins. Mary might actually have liked it, but probably had no chance. Maybe Kitty? She seemed fairly malleable. I still think Mr C got the best wife possible, though.
DeleteWhen I first read the book - and I was very young - I assumed Mr C was going to end up with Mary. They were well-matched and it seemed the obvious solution. The book was full of surprises. I suppose all we really know of Kitty is that she was malleable, and salvagable, so maybe she would have done. But I agree, Mr and Mrs C are OK together, both of them getting something they want from the relationship. I think Charlott will manage him...
DeleteI was all ready to give Greystock the Phineas Finn Fickleness Award for his behavior toward Lucy. But at least he kept her in the back of his mind (faint praise).
ReplyDeleteYes, I suppose so. I don't think Trollope is nearly harsh enough towards either of them...
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